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Sherman oversees and administers DoubleLine’s investment management subcommittee; serves as lead portfolio manager for multisector and derivative-based strategies; and is a member of the firm’s executive management and fixed-income assetallocation committees. He is host of the podcast The Sherman Show and a CFA charter holder.
I’d say management consulting is any of the other thing that least at that time was the other career trajectory, just my personality, more of a math oriented introvert. I could maybe flip that around a little bit since I think particularly post 2008, 2009, the quality style of investing has become a lot more popular.
And I think that has been true since 2009 until now. Once you have your assetallocation dialed in, your automatic contributions dialed in, all the basics, then you can move on. Have I managed my assetallocation and my investment fees? It’s much deeper than math. Let’s talk about that.
But the numbers you can’t argue with, I mean, we all know that the brutal math of investing before costs investors collectively will earn the market return after costs. And then on top of that, of course we ran straight into the 2008, 2009 great recession. They will earn that market return less, whatever they’re paying.
I am guessing they chose that timeframe to coincide with the March 2009 bottom. We've talked just a couple of times about the market becoming increasingly concentrated which just in terms of math means that a diversified strategy will lag for as long as the big names do well.
And what we figured out in 2009, really when we started buying homes is that we made the bet that it, I mean, it wasn’t a very exotic bet, but we made the bet that the subprime mortgage market wasn’t coming back at all. And so, so starting in 2009, we, we, there was no flip market. So I had real support around Wall Street.
She was CIO at Merrill Lynch Asset Management, and now CIO at both Morgan Stanley Wealth Management and runs their assetallocation models and their outsourced chief investment officer models. 00:20:56 [Speaker Changed] So, so let’s talk a little bit about what goes into managing a hundred plus billion dollars in assets.
And I, and I really like the application of math and statistics and computer science to markets. And so graduating right into 2009, right out of the financial crisis, I said, I don’t think I’m gonna get a job. You learn the math that can help you with, with market making operations. And I just caught the bug.
Jeffrey Sherman : Well, what it was was, so I, as I said, with applications, there’s many applications of math, and the usually obvious one is physics. Barry Ritholtz : It seems that some people are math people and some people are not. The, the math came easier. And I really hated physics, really. It’s so true.
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