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One, one is true and I’ve always said is that I wanted people to stop, ask if I could doing math. And no one asked me if I can do math anymore with a degree from Booth, particularly in econometrics and statistics. So people really ask you, you take French and can you do math. Two reasons. Absolutely.
I — I loved math, but really, I was going to go down that literature route more than anything else and — and study Spanish literature. BITTERLY MICHELL: … riskmanagement. there’s a big focus on how do we optimize for tax efficiency, too. It’s different wealth regimes, it’s different tax regimes.
You have the liquidity, the tax efficiency, the transparency. And I did the math, and I think at that point in time, roughly speaking, assets in ETS were roughly just 10 percent, 12 percent of assets in mutual funds and I was pretty convinced that that number was to increase significantly. 2020 was a huge year.
SEIDES: But market returns across — RITHOLTZ: The past decade, 2010 to 2020, we were what? So for a taxable investor, hedge funds generally aren’t tax efficient. It’s part of their own tax planning. RITHOLTZ: Oh no, it’s much worse. SEIDES: It’s lower. It’s lower. 14, 15% a year?
So how do you then go from tax and audit practice to finance and investing? So I took it upon myself to go off and took a course in bond math, took another course in derivatives and realized the underlying fundamental concepts were barely, I mean, it wasn’t even high school math in most cases. Very different fields.
And so if you compare that to today, if you remember Oaktree raised $15 billion fund in 2020, on its own. For example, you talk about the 2020 distressed cycle, and it’s interesting to me that it was so short, so shallow. If you think of the biggest bankruptcy in 2020 was Hertz. So the magnitude is not even comparable.
Also being cognizant of the tax implications of trading activity. DAVIS: A big part of it is really around when there’s more complicated corporate actions that are happening that entail a level of risk. They like tax-free income, but they also don’t like principal losses. It kind of made me think of a question.
So, I did the math, 20 million times a hundred. This guy just hired me, the management of this trawler fleet to advise them on whether the management should exercise their legitimate right under the privatization program of Russia to buy 51 percent. So, let me just repeat the math. How many do you have in your fleet?
We dive deep into all sorts of things about running businesses, managingrisk, and then when we began talking about his public sector service, we went deep into the Tax Cuts and Job Act of 2017. It’s, it’s no different But, but inherently in futures, a whole lot more leverage, a whole lot more risk.
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