The Fed is Hiking at the Most Aggressive Pace Ever (And What it Means for Housing)

Monthly average Fed Funds Rate via St. Louis Fed

Chart Notes

  • I use monthly averages because the Fed now targets a range. Also the Fed Funds Target Rate is discontinued and only dates to 1982.
  • This is the steepest, most aggressive hiking cycle ever.

You can see the impact especially in mortgage rates and thus housing.

30-Year Fixed Mortgage Rates 1975-Present

30-year fixed mortgage rates courtesy of Mortgage News Daily

30-Year Fixed Mortgage Rates – One Year

30-year fixed mortgage rates courtesy of Mortgage News Daily

 Existing Home Sales Decline 9th Month, Down Another 5.9 Percent

Existing home sales from the National Association of Realtors via St. Louis Fed

With the Fed rate hikes, Existing Home Sales Decline 9th Month, Down Another 5.9 Percent

Existing Home Sales Crash

  • Existing home sales are down 28.4% from one year ago.
  • Existing home sales are down 31.7% since January.

That’s a crash. And never have we seen such declines other than in recessions. 

The crash is in transactions, not price. 

Cost of Owning 

“Nationally, it cost $888 a month more to buy an entry-level single-family home than to rent it, according to September data from John Burns Real Estate Consulting. A 30-year-fixed mortgage with 5% down (including principal, interest, taxes, insurance and maintenance) on such a home cost $3,058 a month, while the median monthly rent on such a single-family house was $2,170, based on John Burns research.”

The cost of owning a home with a mortgage is the most expensive since at least 2000.

The Current Housing Cycle Landscape

1-3 Year Housing Outlook 

Image courtesy of John Burns Real Estate Consulting 

Falling Real Estate Markets 

Several major markets have now reached the falling phase of the cycle, characterized by flat or declining prices, limited capital investment, and shrinking housing demand.

  • Despite being among the largest resale markets in the country, new home construction in Chicago and Minneapolis, whose recoveries lagged in the post-GFC expansion, struggled to take off during the pandemic-fueled housing boom. These economies continue to underperform, and we worry about significant out-migration and sustained population loss.
  • Austin, Sacramento, and Salt Lake City, all standouts for in-migration and robust, tech employment demand / job growth throughout the pandemic, have reversed course quickly.
  • Phoenix and Riverside-SB have also reversed course quickly, in part due to significant speculative investment that drove prices up quickly. They also benefitted tremendously from the industrial building development boom that has now cooled.
  • Sales are dropping and resale supply is skyrocketing, driving home price appreciation down fast, with home values now falling month over month. Single-family construction activity has pulled back, as many builders in these markets are reluctant to open new communities during a downturn.

Housing is Local (Until it Isn’t)

Slowing markets include Dallas, Jacksonville, and Raleigh-Durham.

The rest are plateauing. There is no major market bottoming, recovering, or growing.

It may be true at the micro level, but I’m tired of the expression “Housing is Local” when nearly the entire country is headed the same way. 

Not a Crash?!

Existing Home Sales long-term chart courtesy of Trading Economics

New Home Sales 

New Home Sales data from the Census Department, chart by Mish

Last month I noted huge new sales negative revisions for the August. This month the Census Department reports negative revisions for September.

If the pattern holds, there will be negative revisions next month too. 

What About Cancellations?

The Census Department does not subtract cancellations from its reports and cancellations due to rising mortgage rates have been huge.

In declining sales environments and economic downturns (now), the Census Department dramatically overstates sales, even if we ignore revisions.

In economic upturns, the Census Department understates sales. 

For discussion, please see New Home Sales Bounce 7.5 Percent From Negative Revisions

Factoring in cancellations, new home sales are about 468,000 SAAR about where they were in 1963.

But hey, let’s not call that a crash either. 

Housing Hell

Looking Ahead

The range of hikes is allegedly 5-7 percent.

Who Cares How We Get There

Rate Hike Odds for December 2022

Chart of rate hike odds from CME FedWatch 

Expect another half-point hike on December 14. 

Rate Hike Odds for December 2023

Chart of rate hike odds from CME FedWatch 

Impeccable Track Record

The market does not think we get to 5.0% next year and neither do I. 

Bullard has an impeccable track record of being wrong.

Meanwhile, housing is going to hell. Don’t expect that to change for 1-3 years according to John Burns.

If housing is weak for three years, expect the economy to be weak for three years as well. 

Nonetheless, my forecast for unemployment is not as dire as most. For discussion, please see Expect a Long Period of Weak Growth, Whether or Not It’s Labeled Recession.

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Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
Real Estate sales.
It’s not a career, it’s an adventure.
KidHorn
KidHorn
1 year ago
In the past during downturns the markets that were hit first were condos, followed by townhouses. Detached homes faired a lot better. There are new condos and townhouses near me that cost more than older detached 4 bedroom, 2 car garage homes on half an acre. When condos and townhouses start to drop a lot, the crash will have begun. At least in my area.
RonJ
RonJ
1 year ago
“The crash is in transactions, not price.”
In the Los Angeles area, after the 1991 recession, i believe prices slipped lower until 1995.
Carl_R
Carl_R
1 year ago
Mish, I would love to see what that first chart looks like using real interest rates rather than nominal rates. I would guess that the starting point for the hikes, at -8%, was far lower this time than any other, and that even now, at -4%, it is still lower than the lowest point in any prior hike cycle.
hmk
hmk
1 year ago
Reply to  Carl_R
When I bought my home in 94 the interest rate was 9%. Home sales were good because home prices were reasonable compared to todays inflated prices. If the govt would stop subsidizing housing with negative interest rates, mortage interest deductions and govt backed mortgage insurance home prices would be much less. Whatever the govt gets their hands into something they FUBB.
RonJ
RonJ
1 year ago
FED’S BULLARD: THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS THAT WE REACH A SUFFICIENTLY RESTRICTIVE LEVEL AND THAT FINANCIAL MARKETS UNDERSTAND IT.
What price is Bullard trying to manipulate the S&P 500 to?
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
Reply to  RonJ
The most important thing is that financial markets understand that it’s out of control and there’s nothing that can be done about it. Fourth down, drop back 10 yards and punt.
Salmo Trutta
Salmo Trutta
1 year ago
Third quarter GDP growth was revised up to 2.9%. N-gDp @ 7.3% (still too high).
Link: Daniel L. Thornton, Vice President and Economic Adviser: Research Division, Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis, Working Paper Series:
“Monetary Policy: Why Money Matters and Interest Rates Don’t”
Thornton: “the interest rate is the price of credit, not the price of money”
“Today “monetary policy” should be more aptly named “interest rate policy” because policymakers pay virtually no attention to money.”
And if you look at mises, the center for financial stability, tsi-blog, shadow stats, etc., you’ll see that they are all wrong.

The only tool, credit control device, at the
disposal of the monetary authority in a free capitalistic system through which
the volume of money can be properly controlled is legal reserves. Powell
eliminated legal reserves in March 2020. And Powell also eliminated
deposit classifications.
Monetarism has never been tried.
Monetary lags
are math constants. Monetary policy is not transmitted through interest rates.
Monetary policy was transmitted through legal reserves, the truistic monetary base.
Now we are lost without a rudder or an anchor.
As I said in response to Powell removing legal reserves: “The FED will
obviously, sometime in the future, lose control of the money stock.” May
8, 2020. 10:38 AMLink
Daniel L. Thornton, May 12, 2022 agreed with me:

“However, on March 26, 2020, the Board of Governors reduced the
reserve requirement on checkable deposits to zero. This action ended the Fed’s
ability to control M1. In February 2021 the Board redefined M1 so that M1 and
M2 are very nearly identical. Consequently, it makes little sense to
distinguish between them. In any event, the checkable deposit portion of M2
cannot be controlled now because there are no longer reserve requirements on
these deposits. Here is the reason the Fed cannot control these deposits.”

Salmo Trutta
Salmo Trutta
1 year ago
Reply to  Salmo Trutta

#1 Chairman Jerome Powell: “there was a time when monetary policy aggregates were important determinants of inflation and that has not been the case for a long time”

#2 “Inflation is not a problem for this time as near as I can figure. Right now, M2 [money supply] does not really have important implications. It is something we have to unlearn.”

#3 “the correlation between different aggregates [like] M2 and inflation is just very, very low”.

So, Powell delayed the reporting of the money stock on the Federal Reserve Board’s Statistical Release H.6, “Money Stock Measures”

And Greenspan discontinued the only valid measure of money velocity in Sept. 1996.

Christoball
Christoball
1 year ago
Reply to  Salmo Trutta
The FED rate is the rate that it will lend overnight to banks. Banks have no reserves because customer deposits have been deposited at the FED for a stable profitable return. If Bank lending were limited by reserves; the amount of money available to lend would be limited, and competition for said funds would raise interest rates without necessarily raising money supply. With no reserve requirement, Banks are funded by the constant overnight loans they get from the FED and there is no limit to funds whatever the overnight rate may be as long as there is a lender and borrower. Either way, demand for loans will diminish because of higher rates. Things become too pricey to finance. Is my understanding correct?????
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
Reply to  Christoball
No.
Banks borrow from other banks. That is the danger of the credit markets “locking up.” Banks refrain from borrowing from the Fed, the lender of last resort, because borrowing from the Fed makes them appear much less creditworthy. Yes, they do sometimes borrow from the Fed, but they don’t like it.
Christoball
Christoball
1 year ago
Reply to  Lisa_Hooker
I guess I was wrong. I found this chart of total borrowing from the Fed put out by the St. Louis FED
So why does the FED rate have any impact if Borrowing from them is minimal???
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
Reply to  Christoball
“Prices” or interest rates are set at the margin.
See also, last sale price.
Christoball
Christoball
1 year ago
Reply to  Lisa_Hooker
I see what you mean. Oct. 2022 had 20 billion borrowed from the FED which is about 100 times what was borrowed before Covid. I guess that is significant growth in borrowing meaning that it was somewhat necessary for banks to continue, and is now the cheapest money available in a pinch, so it establishes the margin.
Christoball
Christoball
1 year ago
Reply to  Lisa_Hooker
Another thing is double accounting: whereby when a loan is issued, most of that money is deposited in the same bank or some other bank. When some other bank issues a loan it is deposited in their bank or the first bank mentioned. With this process assets and debits in the banking system grow together. Because of this all the banks together almost function as one organism. Only enough liquidity to take care of withdraws and operating costs is required. Withdraws are only a relatively small portion of a continuously growing organism.
Wimpy
Wimpy
1 year ago
Flyover country … Some of the mom and pop landlords with portfolios of 5 or 6 rentals are dropping them on the market all at once. Expected this was going to be happening all summer but is only now starting to happen in earnest. Interesting part is when they list each house shows up on Zillow for a few days at the total cost of the portfolio. 70k is listed at 350k for a few days. That’s gotta mess with the algos.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
1 year ago
awesome analysis mish. r/e is really your best topic you analyze in my opinion. thanks so much. keep up the good work, please.
Mish
Mish
1 year ago
Reply to  vanderlyn
Thanks
Sunriver
Sunriver
1 year ago
Boise (Watch out! 40% decrease from top is very possible!)
My Home Value 04/01/2022: $518,000
My Home Value 11/29/2022: $404,000
22% decrease in 6 months.
Neighbor bought house in June 2022 for $540,000 and is already underwater $100,000.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
1 year ago
Reply to  Sunriver
sell now. a fluffernutter town like Boise won’t recover in your lifetime. it’ll go the way of camden NJ in pricing.
Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
Reply to  vanderlyn
It’s already a little methy … if the economy continues to crash, it’ll be tweakerville.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
1 year ago
Reply to  Zardoz
i was out there decades ago. no clue, but know it’s been a hot escape destination for CA folks for years now. i always thought meth heads were tweakers. deriving from the slang term for two week benders. the stuff we learn living in 21st century pax dumbphuckistan. the queen is dead (donald rump). long live the king.
dtj
dtj
1 year ago
Mortgage rates already peaked. FHA back down to 6.15% as of today. Fed about to slow rate hikes which the markets will interpret as a “pivot”.
Stock market bottom already bottomed a few months ago (Cramer was right for once when he called it). On and upward from here.
Mish
Mish
1 year ago
Reply to  dtj
Care to make a friendly bet of Pizza and beer on a stock market bottom?
Timeline 1 year.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
1 year ago
Reply to  Mish
you are an optimist. with nutjobs getting committeeships and their nihilist cult wanting to wreck economy under biden, i’d suggest low in stock market is 2 to 5 years out.
Mish
Mish
1 year ago
Reply to  vanderlyn
I was not suggesting the bottom in one year.
I was betting there would be a lower low within one year.
Mish
Mish
1 year ago

I’m throwing my name
into the hat

I wish to become Speaker of the US House of Representatives
Note that one does not need to be a House member to become speaker.

link to twitter.com

vanderlyn
vanderlyn
1 year ago
Reply to  Mish
they call the vote alphabetically. if the beginning house members starting at A B C…….call for HUMPTY Trumpty…………..it might gain steam and be a virtue signal. be funny. mitch dumbest senator of all time. he made a deadly mistake to not convict Trump on 2 occassions. now Trump is gonna wreck the GOP for all times sake. like Whigs and Do Nothings………..
goldguy
goldguy
1 year ago
No worries, when it gets bad enough, 50/60 Year loans will be floated, then it will be off to the races
MikeC711
MikeC711
1 year ago
Maybe I’m being Pollyanna, but my thought of renting being much cheaper sounds good for this landlord
Mish
Mish
1 year ago
This is not 2008. We do not hive liar loans NINJA loans, etc.
Banks not at risk.
The result will be a longer more drawn out process with the Fed unwilling to aggressively cut.
In many ways this is worse. Expect a long painful transition with a weak recovery.
xbizo
xbizo
1 year ago
Reply to  Mish
I can see low volume, but not seeing where the pain will come…
Mish
Mish
1 year ago
Reply to  xbizo
The pain is the without a price crash and without an unemployment surge, the Fed will not easily pivot.
Powell even stated a long period of weak growth, but well after I made that case.
worleyeoe
worleyeoe
1 year ago
Reply to  Mish
But what we do have is a rapid increase in ARM mortgages over the last 6 months. And, I have read that lenders are using the teaser rate loans again. And, a small number of builders are selling people investment portions of homes that they can afford with a mortgage.
When you add all of this up, especially with stubbornly high prices, then you’ve got a pretty toxic mix that could go sideways then down over the next 12 months. And, it’s not just housing. People’s car debt and credit card debts will increasingly become a drag as well.
I don’t see 10% foreclosure rates but 3-4% is certainly possible. And as I’ve said MANY time, what really matters is whether or not Uncle Sam steps in with rent & mortgage relief if we get deeper with foreclosures & unemployment rising near 5%.
dbannist
dbannist
1 year ago
Reply to  worleyeoe
ARM’s are through the roof. What if interest rates do NOT fall, as most believe? If interest rates continue to rise this is a set up for future disaster a few years out.

I do not personally believe interest rates will continue to rise, but if I was always correct in my prognostications I’d be a billionaire.

This is a very dangerous time to invest indeed. I’m sticking with nearly debt free resource stocks. They will respond to inflation and be largely immune to interest rates. Plus, everyone needs them. I’m staying far far away from financial stocks, crypto (a billion miles away) while waiting for real estate prices to come down so I can pounce on good deals as they come up.

Mish
Mish
1 year ago
Factoring in cancellations, new home sales are about 468,000 SAAR about where they were in 1963.
But, hey, let’s not call that a crash either.
worleyeoe
worleyeoe
1 year ago
Reply to  Mish
As long as prices are not falling through the floor yet, which they’re not YET, then what we’re experiencing IS NOT A CRASH, because that means foreclosures will remain very low. Lots of people are STILL paying ridiculously high prices for new & existing homes. Unless the Fed pushes the FFR beyond 5% or starts to sell MBS, 30YFRM isn’t going back above 7%.
Mish
Mish
1 year ago
Reply to  worleyeoe
You are free to call it what you want, but my statement “transaction crash” is undoubtedly correct.
I cannot stop you from calling it a tuna fish sandwich if you like.
worleyeoe
worleyeoe
1 year ago
Reply to  Mish
Which is more important to correcting the insane housing affordability crisis?
# of homes sold or a REAL, SUSTAINED decline in prices nationally?
I don’t have a problem with your calling it a transaction crash which is without a doubt accurate, but to-date this is meaningless in the grand scheme of things. What I really think is that you’re trying to pass this off as a really big deal, and it’s not at least YET. We’re still at the point with YoY price increases that it’s barely a harbinger of what’s to come.
What matters is for housing prices to decline at least 25%, and I realize this doesn’t happen overnight. All you’re doing is making it seem like the sky is falling, when it’s really not. Housing is still holding its own even with all of the growing cancellations over the last 3-4 months. And more than likely the 30YFRM will not move above 7% again, unless the Fed is forced to start selling MBS. At least for now, the treasury market is signaling that it thinks we’ve seen peak 10YT yields. A 5% terminal FFR is not going to cause another major spurt in the 10YT yield.
Now granted, I do think you’re graphs suggest we’re reaching an inflection point. But let’s be absolutely clear about this next point. Housing IS NOT going to fall 25% nationally without rising unemployment. And to-date, there’s no real signs unemployment is on the cusp of rising dramatically. Be that as it may, I think January / February is when things will start to get interesting. Companies will have to decide if they’re going to act like there’s really 10M job openings or are they going to start laying people off to correct declining earnings by next spring.
Because if people don’t start to get laid off in significant numbers (i.e., millions) then housing is going to stabilize by next summer at the latest, and this “calamitous transaction crash” you’re pushing will just be a fizzle of MAYBE a 5-10% decline in prices nationally. And my house along with 98% of the homes in the US will still be WAY overpriced which also means little to no rent relief either.
Nice housing cycle graph from John Burns though.
Honestly, what I want is more insight into what you think lies out on the horizon, 3M, 6M 12M etc.
Cheers!
QTPie
QTPie
1 year ago
Reply to  worleyeoe
Your assessment is quite accurate. Take for example the two markets mentioned in the article as ‘slowing’: Raleigh and Jacksonville… yes, they are down, but only by 5-6% from peak (median sales price per square foot from near real-time MLS data, not Case-Shiller which lags) – after having almost doubled in the past couple of years.
That said, with so few sales unsold inventory is definitely building while rents are falling quite substantially. We appear to be in a pronounced standoff between buyers and sellers. With so many variables potentially affecting the future, it’s difficult to tell at this point who blinks first.
Also agree with 25% decline as what’s needed to bring prices back into some semblance of affordability. That is the figure I have in mind as well.
Agave
Agave
1 year ago
Reply to  worleyeoe
One theory I’ve read is that the effects of long Covid have kept an unexpectedly large number of people out of the workforce, contributing to the labor shortage. Can’t verify it, but it’s an interesting take.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
Reply to  Mish
A fish sandwich made by a competent cook does not require tuning.
prumbly
prumbly
1 year ago
Reply to  Mish
US GDP grew by 4.4% in 1963
Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
Reply to  Mish
There’s a house I keep seeing in the listings that has gone pending 3 times since march. Must be driving the sellers insane.
KidHorn
KidHorn
1 year ago
Reply to  Zardoz
They might be cleaning up with earnest money.
Mish
Mish
1 year ago
New Home Sales are not above pre-pandemic
There is a 26% cancellation rate
Existing home sales are not even close
about 2012 rate
It’s a CRASH
Bam_Man
Bam_Man
1 year ago
Most people have no idea what a huge portion of “the economy” real estate constitutes.
In my area (North/Central FL) I would estimate that at least 1/3 of the “good paying jobs” are real estate-related.
Fortunately, there are so many people looking to relocate here that the local market has only slowed, not yet crashed.
If it keeps slowing for another 6 months, there will be a lot of people seeing their income dry up.
Mish
Mish
1 year ago
Reply to  Bam_Man
Exactly
Think of all the cabinets, paint, landscaping, plumbing, carpet, lumber, appliances, that go into new and existing homes.
MIFE
MIFE
1 year ago
Reply to  Mish
In my area (Canada/Toronto area) there is also a huge muni revenue/tax impact from the charges on real estate in general, which are supposed to be for ‘infrastructure’ that never gets built. So the impact of a slow down in transactions will be a huge muni revenue short fall. Might have to cut back spending if it continues for too long
Is the setup the same/similar in the states??? If there is a muni spending slow down on top of the above items it just amplifies everything, no?
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
1 year ago
Reply to  Mish
not to mention the realtors and the fancy autos they lease. and the beauty parlors…………….restaurants in NYC are empty. at high noon. never seen it so damn quiet in my first 62 years on planet.
Jack
Jack
1 year ago
Reply to  vanderlyn
Are restaurants in NYC less busy at noon than 6 months ago?
In my downtown traffic has not really increased since COVID sent all the workers home – not many people went back.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
This is what happens when the Fed subsidizes interest rates from 2010 and government cannot balance its budget.
The next sound will be the Great Flushing…
Billy
Billy
1 year ago
Rent vs. Owning cost is interesting to me. After listening to friends who have rentals and have had judges tell them that they must forgive rent, I think landlords should start to charge rent control/RSO/Failure to make payment insurance.
xbizo
xbizo
1 year ago
One reason that house prices haven’t crashed because this cash flow analysis is incomplete. John Burns Real Estate Consulting did not include the state and federal income tax savings – assuming most households have wage income. The income tax deduction makes home ownership a wash versus renting now and a long term benefit – cost avoidance from escalating rents.
Couple that with high levels of equity that no one is walking away from, and low mortgage rates locking people into their properties, fewer transactions and price stability makes a ton of sense. Slower turnover, but housing doesn’t appear to be causal for a recession. We could see prices start rising again in a few months.
Two job openings for every unemployed person. Business and governments are chronically understaffed. Some are even trying to combine two full-time jobs into one job listing. There is a ton of work out there for those that need income.
What is a poor Central Bank to do?
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
Reply to  xbizo
Government is ‘chronically understaffed’? Seriously? Where? Chronically under-worked is the real issue, IMHO.
xbizo
xbizo
1 year ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
our county and city can’t fill their openings. Planning & development, police, fire…
Jack
Jack
1 year ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
IT friend in government says everyone spends more time on social media websites than actual work.
They monitor internet traffic and seems this is the norm across the board – but he cannot say anything because his boss is just as bad as the rest and is told to be quiet.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
1 year ago
Reply to  xbizo
FED will drop an extra ZERO in everyones accounts from banks to brokers with one little computer cursor move. the PLAGUE years was just a warm up.
Jack
Jack
1 year ago
Reply to  xbizo
Job openings are hard to fill partially due to high mortgage rates reducing employment mobility.
Why would I move for a new better paying job if my existing mortgage is 2% and new one would be 6%?
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
Reply to  Jack
Possibility of a Nobel Prize or Fields Medal?
8dots
8dots
1 year ago
The Effective Fund rates are in a trading range since Nov 2015, between Apr 2019 high and July 2007 high, inside the 1992/93 congestion area.
Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
1 year ago
“A home price crash is what the Fed wants.

What the Fed got instead is a transaction crash”

….
Why not both?
Sales dry up —-> then prices drop
Case shiller year over year price increases dropping precipitously. Stop at 0? … or blow below?
xbizo
xbizo
1 year ago
Reply to  Tony Bennett
or sales dry up and prices rise up
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
Reply to  xbizo
Sales down. Prices down. The sooner the better. Or maybe Biden should step in and pay off mortgages??
MikeC711
MikeC711
1 year ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
I’m assuming that is sarcastic. My mortgages, however, do define as student loans
xbizo
xbizo
1 year ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
Residential real estate is not like stocks. Longs pretty much have to hold, they don’t liquidate to capture the profit and go to cash. Now most are locked in and can’t even do the move-up without taking a hit on interest rate. And if you lose your job there is another down the street. Won’t miss a mortgage payment.
So I see little downward pressure on prices from sellers. With low supply, any increase in buyers entering the market would move prices up. I don’t think they will rip higher, but looking for 3% annual increases after the market settles. I’ll say that the price bottom is in already.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
1 year ago
Reply to  xbizo
inflation at realistically 15%, a three percent annual increase is a big loser. prices are gonna crater. like morning comes after night, prices go up for a decade or so and plunge for 5 years or so. in really extreme times, like past few years of money printing where every property in amerika went up huge, i’d bet on a gigantic plunge over the next 5 years. maybe longer. last plunge, in my town at time, topped out at 2005, plateaud for year and plunged. and bottomed in 2012. 7 long years down.
Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
1 year ago
Reply to  xbizo
You can always dream.
JeffD
JeffD
1 year ago
It’s not a crash. It’s a correction. Sales are still above where they were pre-pandemic. Active inventory is at historic lows.
Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
1 year ago
Reply to  JeffD
“Active inventory is at historic lows.”
For now. That will change.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
Reply to  JeffD
This is a global implosion in slow motion. We are still at the awakening stage.
HippyDippy
HippyDippy
1 year ago

When you consider all the damage the FED has done, one is left with only two possible conclusions. One is the FED is so incompetent that they shouldn’t be allowed near money ever. The second is it’s all intentional. Crash a worthless dollar and replace it with the FED’s social credit prison digital currency. I pick option three, which is both.

Maximus_Minimus
Maximus_Minimus
1 year ago
Reply to  HippyDippy
I lean heavily to option one, option two might be a fallback for option one, i.e very likely outcome.
As you said, these people have a spectacular record of incompetence.
HippyDippy
HippyDippy
1 year ago
Hegelian dialect. Problem, reaction, solution. They are spectacularly incompetent, which is why our notes are trash. But it’s also why they want to crash it so they can offer us their solution. They’ve been wanting to roll out their digital notes for a long time. Of course, there’ll be plenty of backdoors in it so they can really mess with it. And 12 year olds will hack it into oblivion within a month.

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